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| 2 | Session Start: Sun Nov 08 21:07:08 2009 |
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| 3 | Session Ident: #wikipedia-blptf |
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| 4 | [21:07] * Now talking in #wikipedia-blptf |
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| 5 | [21:07] * Topic is 'http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/BLP_Task_Force/Meeting_agenda' |
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| 6 | [21:07] * Set by Keegan on Sun Nov 08 19:53:47 |
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| 7 | [21:07] <Keegan> So, next up, we have our proposals that have feasibility from "top down" |
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| 8 | [21:07] <Keegan> We've got No consensus blps default to delete |
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| 9 | [21:08] <Keegan> Thoughts on feasibility of limited scope? |
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| 10 | [21:08] <Lara> Keeping in mind that the community just shot that down for at least the second time, Cary has noted that it's not for us to worry about reception. |
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| 11 | [21:09] <kevin_g> It's easy to limit the scope to BLPs only, IMO |
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| 12 | [21:09] <Lara> Yea, we need to rewrite that proposal. |
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| 13 | [21:09] <Keegan> Okay, we'll get into detail on that shortly. We agree that is a possible proposal? |
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| 14 | [21:09] <Lara> Yes |
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| 15 | [21:09] * Betacommand (n=Betacomm@unaffiliated/betacommand) has joined #wikipedia-blptf |
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| 16 | [21:09] <Lara> we can't worry about the response to it if the board puts it into resolution. |
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| 17 | [21:10] <kevin_g> I wrote up a brief bit on the /Workshop page on this |
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| 18 | [21:10] * Betacommand (n=Betacomm@unaffiliated/betacommand) has left #wikipedia-blptf |
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| 19 | [21:10] <Keegan> (BTW folks, we've discussed most of this extensively by mailing list) |
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| 20 | [21:10] <Lara> It worked with non-free images. |
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| 21 | [21:10] <Lara> perfect timing of Betacommand for that point. |
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| 22 | [21:10] <KillerChihuahua> It seems to me there are two, or possibly three aspects to reception. One, reception of ideas within this task force. Two, reception in the wider wm community. Three, if this is "top down" then it is, unpopular though it may be to say this, not necessary for any effective measures suggested by this taskforce and adopted by the Foundation to /have/ wide support. |
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| 23 | [21:11] <kevin_g> it's a bit rare to see wide support or opposition for anything on WP of late |
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| 24 | [21:11] <Keegan> KC: I agree, this is why I broke up the scope into "proposals" and "recommendations" |
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| 25 | [21:11] <Keegan> Two different aspects |
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| 26 | [21:12] <Lara> Well, yea, we'll go with that. Let's just acknowledge that this particular proposal will probably result in backlash from the community, accept it, and move on. |
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| 27 | [21:12] <KillerChihuahua> Indeed, but have we consensus on anything within this task group to move from "proposal" to "recommendation"? |
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| 28 | [21:12] <Keegan> The other proposal we seem to agree on is cracking down on unsourced BLPs with a no-excuses attitude |
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| 29 | [21:12] <Keegan> KC: I mean "Proposal" to be what we think the Board can do |
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| 30 | [21:13] <Keegan> "Recommendation" is what we can advise the Board to work within communities on |
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| 31 | [21:13] <KillerChihuahua> Ah. Ok, using that terminology - |
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| 32 | [21:13] <KillerChihuahua> have we consensus on any proposal? any recommendation? |
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| 33 | [21:14] <Lara> Sent it forth as a proposal. There seems to be consensus for that on the list. |
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| 34 | [21:14] <Lara> Send* |
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| 35 | [21:14] <Keegan> KC: Check the agenda, I think we can do two things |
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| 36 | [21:14] <Lara> We just have to rewrite it. |
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| 37 | [21:14] * killiondude (n=Killer@wikimedia/Killiondude) has joined #wikipedia-blptf |
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| 38 | [21:15] <Lara> Gnangarra crafted it to change AFD, not specific to BLPs. |
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| 39 | [21:15] <Keegan> But first, let's figure out is it worth the effort, or possible, to provide an outline of bottom-up changes that we need? |
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| 40 | [21:15] <Keegan> In other words |
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| 41 | [21:15] <Keegan> Things that a task force or the Board cannot do, to work within our community process? |
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| 42 | [21:15] <kevin_g> it's beyond our scope to rewrite local AfD policies |
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| 43 | [21:15] <Lara> The timing of this latest proposal was wretched. |
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| 44 | [21:16] <Lara> kevin_g: I know, that's what I was meaning about the necessary rewrite. |
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| 45 | [21:16] <Lara> but yea, timing of BLP AFD default to delete in no consensus. |
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| 46 | [21:16] <Keegan> Let's get to that in a moment, returning to proposals |
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| 47 | [21:16] <Keegan> Do we have feasible recommendations that are not ad nauseum arguments? |
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| 48 | [21:17] <kevin_g> Propose that: When debating the deletion of biographies of living people, the default action shall be to delete unless there is a clear consensus to keep, and that the article passes all of the relevant local policies |
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| 49 | Session Close: Sun Nov 08 21:18:02 2009 |
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