source: trollforge/irc/wiki-logs/#wikimedia-ops/#wikimedia-ops.20120106.txt @ 657 Tweet

Session Start: Fri Jan 06 15:49:32 2012
Session Ident: #wikimedia-ops
03[15:49] * Now talking in #wikimedia-ops
03[15:49] * Topic is 'Wikimedia IRC operators | Ops in Wikimedia channels are voiced | eir: http://freenode.net/eir.shtml | ASM: [[m:IRC/Bots/AntiSpamMeta]] | [[m:IRC Group Contacts]] | If you have a private message for ops, please /join #wikimedia-ops-internal | No public logging | See http://bit.ly/cloakrequest to request a cloak - http://bit.ly/cloakrequirements for requirements'
03[15:49] * Set by Barras!~Barras@wikimedia/barras on Fri Dec 16 14:30:03
[15:49] #wikimedia-ops url is http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC
[15:50] <AntiSpamMeta> 02Info risk threat [#wikipedia-en]: chavrsi - host c-66-177-245-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net is in dnsbl.dronebl.org ( Automatically determined botnet IPs (experimental) ); ping Thehelpfulone, Shirik, jeremyb, Theo10011, Barras, Steven_Zhang, Logan_, Not_the_NSA, Jamesofur, Corey, Prodego, pctony, Jake_Wartenberg, SeJo, Maximillion, ST47, DeltaQuad, SpitfireWP, PeterSymonds, Werdan7, Gfoley4, Snowolf, stwalkerster
[15:50] <AntiSpamMeta> , TBloemink, shimgray, and wimt !att-#wikipedia-en-info
[15:52] <AntiSpamMeta> 07Medium risk threat [#wikipedia-en]: Prodego - sending a notice to the channel; ping Theo10011, Cbrown1023, RichiH, Jamesofur, DanielB, closedmouth, Prodego, marienz, Jake_Wartenberg, ST47, SpitfireWP, dave2, Werdan7, Gfoley4, NotASpy, Snowolf, Tawker, TBloemink, wimt, Courcelles, Cobi, Thehelpfulone, Shirik, jeremyb, |X|, agkwiki, JohnReaves, Barras, Mike42, Steven_Zhang, Logan_, Not_the_NSA, Corey, Luna-
[15:52] <AntiSpamMeta> Santin, KFP, pctony, SeJo, Maximillion, DeltaQuad, mrmist, PeterSymonds, Ryanposs, slakr, stwalkerster, Golbez, shimgray, and Fluffernutter !att-#wikipedia-en-medium
[15:52] <Fluff|tardis> snort
[15:52] <Shirik> bad Prodego
06[15:52] * Fluff|tardis quickbans Prodego
[15:52] <Shirik> :P
[15:52] <Prodego> its a notice, that's what its for
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[15:52] <AntiSpamMeta> 07Medium risk threat [#wikimedia-ops]: rstnkf - sending a notice to the channel; ping Thehelpfulone, Kanonkas, jeremyb, Cbrown1023, Barras, RichiH, Logan_, Not_the_NSA, Corey, marienz, pctony, SeJo, ST47, mrmist, dave2, PeterSymonds, slakr, and AfterDeath !att-#wikimedia-ops-medium
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[15:52] <juancarlos> yes, hello
[15:52] <log> Yes, hello.
[15:52] <log> log here.
[15:52] <Fluff|tardis> that was interesting
08[15:53] <derp> yes hello.
03[15:53] * afqn (~androirc@2600:1000:b002:6ced:be0a:971a:3b02:4366) has joined #wikimedia-ops
[15:53] <DeltaQuad> say wha? /me uses IRC cloud
[15:53] <log> So do I, sometimes.
[15:53] <PeterSymonds> Well we didn't like you anyway.
[15:53] <AntiSpamMeta> 02Info risk threat [#wikipedia]: rstnkf - host c-66-177-245-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net is in dnsbl.dronebl.org ( Automatically determined botnet IPs (experimental) ); ping Thehelpfulone, jeremyb, Theo10011, Barras, Logan_, Jamesofur, Corey, Tanvir, kibble, Prodego, Jake_Wartenberg, pctony, SeJo, ST47, Maximillion, DeltaQuad, SpitfireWP, PeterSymonds, Gfoley4, stwalkerster, Snowolf, Golbez, TBloemink, shimgray, k
[15:53] <AntiSpamMeta> illiondude, werdan7, and wimt !att-#wikipedia-info
[15:53] <AntiSpamMeta> 07Medium risk threat [#wikipedia]: rstnkf - sending a notice to the channel; ping Theo10011, James_F, RichiH, bumm13_, Jamesofur, DanielB, closedmouth, Tanvir, Prodego, marienz, Jake_Wartenberg, ST47, SpitfireWP, dave2, Gfoley4, Snowolf, TBloemink, wimt, Courcelles, Mike_H, Thehelpfulone, Lucifer_Cat, tawker, jeremyb, JohnReaves, Barras, Mike42, Logan_, Corey, kibble, pctony, SeJo, Maximillion, DeltaQuad, m
[15:53] <AntiSpamMeta> rmist, Cyrius, PeterSymonds, slakr, stwalkerster, skenmy, Golbez, Fluffernutter, shimgray, killiondude, Luna-San, FastLizard4, and werdan7 !att-#wikipedia-medium
[15:53] <afqn> What potential for abuse? 
[15:53] <Barras> 9.9
[15:53] <Fluff|tardis> oh for fuck's sake
[15:53] <jeremyb> DeltaQuad: w/ a cloak?
[15:53] <Thehelpfulone> oh this is fun
[15:53] <juancarlos> Prodego stirred up a hornets' nest. 
[15:54] <Prodego> juancarlos: don't blame me :)
[15:54] <log> PeterSymonds: <3
[15:54] <PeterSymonds> <3
[15:54] <Prodego> juancarlos: did I remember to /notice #wikipedia or not? I did, but I wasn't in the channel so it presumably didn't go
[15:54] <DeltaQuad> jeremyb: good point :P but will it still get the site that i'm using
[15:54] <juancarlos> Prodego: No. 
[15:54] <log> Prodego: Please don't...
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[15:54] <juancarlos> afqn had a question about why we were banning irccloud. 
[15:55] <Prodego> juancarlos / log: this really is the purpose of the notice, and I'd like to know if there is going to be loads of collateral damage before doing so
[15:55] <juancarlos> Sure.
[15:55] <afqn> What's the benefit? 
[15:55] <matthewrbowker> ^ my question
[15:55] <log> I understand. There is going to be collateral damage, as both I and DeltaQuad use the service, at least.
[15:56] <juancarlos> Use webchat? Or a client. 
[15:56] <afqn> Why? 
[15:56] <log> It's a cloud service, so it stays on all the time.
[15:56] <afqn> So? 
[15:56] <juancarlos> afqn: Um. I don't think you know what you're responding to. :
[15:56] <log> I can go back to it to see what has been posted in channels since I closed XChat.
[15:56] <jeremyb> <+jeremyb> DeltaQuad: w/ a cloak?
[15:56] <juancarlos> )
[15:56] <matthewrbowker> Do we have stated cases where we've had abuse from the service?
[15:56] <log> juancarlos: Banning goes through cloaks.
[15:57] <juancarlos> Yes. Yesterday during the spam attack, matthewrbowker. 
08[15:57] <derp> Trust me, it does
08[15:57] <derp> :P
[15:57] <Shirik> Speaking of which
[15:57] <juancarlos> log: Um. I don't think you know what you're responding to. :
08[15:57] <derp> and i evaded many times :P
[15:57] <log> Er.
[15:57] <matthewrbowker> juancarlos: Ah, that's why.  I wasn't on :P
[15:57] <log> jeremyb: Banning goes through cloaks.
[15:57] <Shirik> should I shove my bot in #wikipedia-en to see if it can still detect the spam? I wrote an algorithm years ago to detect it
[15:57] <AntiSpamMeta> 02Info risk threat [#wikipedia-en]: hojyv - host 79.171.125.98 is in dnsbl.dronebl.org ( Automatically determined botnet IPs (experimental) ); ping Thehelpfulone, Shirik, jeremyb, Theo10011, Barras, Steven_Zhang, Logan_, Not_the_NSA, Jamesofur, Corey, Prodego, pctony, Jake_Wartenberg, SeJo, Maximillion, ST47, DeltaQuad, SpitfireWP, PeterSymonds, Werdan7, Gfoley4, Snowolf, stwalkerster, TBloemink, shimgray, 
[15:57] <AntiSpamMeta> and wimt !att-#wikipedia-en-info
[15:57] <DeltaQuad> jeremyb: I think my answer got lost in the thread, but yes, with a Wikipedia cloak, but it doesn't auto login to IRC when there is a hickup
[15:57] <AntiSpamMeta> 07Medium risk threat [#wikipedia-en]: hojyv - sending a notice to the channel; ping Theo10011, Cbrown1023, RichiH, Jamesofur, DanielB, closedmouth, Prodego, marienz, Jake_Wartenberg, ST47, SpitfireWP, dave2, Werdan7, Gfoley4, NotASpy, Snowolf, Tawker, TBloemink, wimt, Courcelles, Cobi, Thehelpfulone, Shirik, jeremyb, |X|, agkwiki, JohnReaves, Barras, Mike42, Steven_Zhang, Logan_, Not_the_NSA, Corey, Luna-Sa
[15:57] <AntiSpamMeta> ntin, KFP, pctony, SeJo, Maximillion, DeltaQuad, mrmist, PeterSymonds, Ryanposs, slakr, stwalkerster, Golbez, shimgray, and Fluffernutter !att-#wikipedia-en-medium
[15:57] <afqn> I don't. Because no one has explained the benefit. 
[15:57] <matthewrbowker> Can we do it for just annon attacks?  (gateway/ircccloud or the like)
[15:58] <jeremyb> DeltaQuad: so, fix that?
[15:58] <DeltaQuad> i'm not a developer, I can't
[15:58] <SpitfireWP> Shirik, would be interested in seeing the code.
08[15:58] <derp> Also, i propose we ban TOR and the freenode webchat :P
[15:58] <Shirik> do you know Lua?
[15:58] <jeremyb> DeltaQuad: did you talk to them about it?
[15:58] <juancarlos> To quote a dear friend of mine: "I think any VPN/bouncer/proxy service is going to be problematic unless it has decent tight administration. From what I've seen irccloud doesn't have that, and it's often abused as a result."
[15:58] <jeremyb> derp: and netcat?
[15:58] <SpitfireWP> Also, I doubt anyone would mind if you ran it for some period of time in a debug mode in which it didn't actually take an actions, Shirik.
[15:58] <Prodego> derp: irccloud hides users IPs
[15:59] <Prodego> which freenode's webchat doesn't
08[15:59] <derp> jeremyb, ban all cloaks.
[15:59] <DeltaQuad> jeremyb: no, I haven't had a need to yet.
08[15:59] <derp> show RAW ip's
08[15:59] <derp> :P
[15:59] <SpitfireWP> juancarlos, sounds like a very wise friend.
[15:59] <Prodego> so that means that detecting evasion is more difficult
[15:59] <Prodego> that's the primary issue with irccloud
[15:59] <jeremyb> DeltaQuad: you already said it's broken as is (before the change). fix it? :)
[15:59] <Shirik> I'd have to make a slight modification if it were to go live. It used to +r the channel, and I'm not sure we'd want that. (Of course, if it's not an op, it wouldn't be able to, so testing is trivial.)
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[16:00] <AntiSpamMeta> 02Info risk threat [#wikimedia-ops]: hojyv - host 79.171.125.98 is in dnsbl.dronebl.org ( Automatically determined botnet IPs (experimental) ); ping Thehelpfulone, ST47, Kanonkas, jeremyb, PeterSymonds, Cbrown1023, Barras, Logan_, Not_the_NSA, Corey, AfterDeath, pctony, and SeJo !att-#wikimedia-ops-info
12[16:00] -hojyv:#wikimedia-ops- Everyone, shut the fuck up and let me read.
[16:00] <AntiSpamMeta> 07Medium risk threat [#wikimedia-ops]: hojyv - sending a notice to the channel; ping Thehelpfulone, Kanonkas, jeremyb, Cbrown1023, Barras, RichiH, Logan_, Not_the_NSA, Corey, marienz, pctony, SeJo, ST47, mrmist, dave2, PeterSymonds, slakr, and AfterDeath !att-#wikimedia-ops-medium
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[16:00] <Fluff|tardis> oh, honestly
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[16:00] <juancarlos> Freenode, can you please help us?
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[16:00] <juancarlos> wattt.
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[16:00] <Prodego> sheesh guys
[16:00] <mrmist> ?
[16:00] <SpitfireWP> ikr
[16:00] <matthewrbowker> >.> 
08[16:00] <derp> so much action
[16:00] <log> DeltaQuad: This channel should never be +r...
[16:00] <DeltaQuad> for spam it should
[16:00] <matthewrbowker> Prodego: You're the target, BTW :P
[16:00] <afqn> So thus is antispam,  or anti logging?  If anti spam,  why not just code flood control into automotive? 
[16:00] <log> There are always ops here to control it. It's not disrupting anyone but us.
[16:01] <Prodego> matthewrbowker: I dont' really mind
[16:01] <matthewrbowker> It's kind of funny, cuz they tried to !__ops in -tech
[16:01] <Prodego> afqn: anti trolling for the most part, but anti spam as well
[16:01] <DeltaQuad> jeremyb: meh, i'm not opposed to it, it just means more work  on my part :P
[16:01] <Prodego> reduce the chances for ban evasion
[16:01] <DeltaQuad> log: I +r'd it the other day...but whatever
[16:01] <jeremyb> DeltaQuad: or, just go do the work now regardless of the decision
[16:01] <SpitfireWP> afqn, 'sup?
[16:02] <DeltaQuad> i know iz am lazy
[16:02] <Shirik> DeltaQuad: [+zq $~a] seems more reasonable, but I don't really care either way
[16:02] <DeltaQuad> true
[16:02] <matthewrbowker> Hold on, instead of outright banning, can we redirect them to a different channel?
[16:02] <jeremyb> -> fetch me some lunch. bbiab
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[16:02] <SpitfireWP> matthewrbowker, +rf does that
[16:02] <log> matthewrbowker: Which one?
[16:02] <Thehelpfulone> afqn: hey, anything we can help you out with? I've not seen you around before, do you have an account on Wikipedia?
[16:02] <Shirik> it's possible, yes, where would you have them redirected to though?
[16:02] <Prodego> matthewrbowker: sure, we can direct them here
[16:03] <log> It already takes them to #wikimedia-overflow, I think.
[16:03] <log> Or not.
[16:03] <Thehelpfulone> all +r is redirected to #wikimedia-overflow
[16:03] <matthewrbowker> log: I don't know, any one.
[16:03] <matthewrbowker> Ah.  Can we just direct the IRCCloud people there?  If they want into -en, invite them!
[16:04] <afqn> I do.  I'm not disclosing it here. I'm reading as a result of jimbos talk page. 
[16:04] <SpitfireWP> Oh, I see.
[16:04] <Fluff|tardis> that makes a seasonable amount of sense, matthewrbowker
[16:04] <juancarlos> Yes.
[16:04] <SpitfireWP> You mean *!*@gateway/web/irccloud.com/*$#wikipedia-irccloud
[16:04] <afqn> And then I saw the notice about a client ban and wanted to understand. 
[16:04] <juancarlos> just overflow
[16:04] <SpitfireWP> Or something to that effect.
08[16:04] <derp> please
[16:04] <SpitfireWP> Yeah
08[16:04] <derp> OR can w e use a bot to confirm
08[16:05] <derp> trough a edit
[16:05] <log> I really don't think that's worth it.
08[16:05] <derp> also, said bot can check the amount of edits
[16:05] <log> We can ban IRCCloud users who are disruptive.
[16:05] <Shirik> I don't see how that would be able to be implemented anyway
[16:05] <log> The IRCCloud hostmask doesn't change for the same user on the website.
[16:05] <log> They all have unique IDs.
[16:05] <matthewrbowker> If we had the ops+trusted users invite, would we need an edit?  
08[16:05] <derp> Si
[16:06] <juancarlos> Hi.
[16:06] <matthewrbowker> Ok... :P
08[16:06] <derp> Hello.
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[16:07] <log> Hellogoodbye.
[16:08] <Ottava> You say hello, and Jeske says goodbye.
[16:08] <juancarlos> <3 Ottava 
[16:08] <Prodego> log: we could exempt certain people, but I do not want to do that
[16:08] <log> Correct.
[16:09] <log> So just ban the individual users.
[16:09] <juancarlos> like log
[16:09] <Prodego> log: the real problem is that it is easy ban evasion
[16:10] <Prodego> if it showed IP I'd agree with that
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[16:10] <Prodego> but with it hiding users IPs that is a real problem
[16:10] <matthewrbowker> No, we need log.  He's fun to roll around
[16:10] <Prodego> and I expect it will become more so in the future
[16:10] <log> Prodego: You must be invited to the beta to create an account. It's not as easy as 1-2-3.
[16:10] <Prodego> right, once that beta ends is when I expect to start seeing wider scale problems
[16:10] <matthewrbowker> log: Are they opening that up when it's feature complete?
[16:11] <log> It will be a paid service once it is out of beta.
[16:11] <Prodego> which is why I'd rather get a jump on it now
[16:11] <SpitfireWP> log, it's still pretty easy.
[16:11] <log> And it's been in beta for over a year now.
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[17:24] <Shirik> does this channel require an invite?
[17:25] <Fluff|tardis> it shouldn't
[17:25] <Fluff|tardis> unless someone left it +r by accident?
[17:26] <matthewrbowker> No, I was able to join fine.
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[17:30] <Shirik> ah I see what's wrong
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[17:32] <Shirik> !ping
[17:32] <EDI> pong
[17:32] <Shirik> ok, so EDI is going to just be listening in on #wikipedia-en to see if he can detect the spam
[17:33] <Shirik> he will claim that he locked the channel, but if he does, know that he doesn't actually have rights to do that
[17:33] <Fluff|tardis> o_O
[17:33] <Fluff|tardis> EDI is your bot?
[17:33] <Shirik> yeah I've had him for a while
[17:33] <Fluff|tardis> fancy!
[17:33] <Shirik> this kinda thing came up a couple years ago so I dealt with it by writing a bot
[17:33] <Shirik> haven't used it since then, but we'll see if it still works
03[17:34] * Fluff|tardis is now known as Fluffernutter
[17:34] <Shirik> actually let's update one little thing so he doesn't make useless statement in #wp-en
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[17:35] <SpitfireWP> Shirik, language?
[17:35] <Shirik> Lua
[17:35] <SpitfireWP> Also, is the source code available? I'd quite like to take a look :P
[17:35] <Shirik> I can make it available, I have to clean it out a little bit first
[17:35] <Shirik> there's some stuff still in there I don't want seen (like channel keys)
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[17:36] <SpitfireWP> People use channel keys!? :o
[17:36] <SpitfireWP> :P
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[17:36] <SpitfireWP> Right, sure. :)
[17:38] <Shirik> welp Ironholds has already found a flaw
[17:38] <Fluffernutter> ?
[17:39] <Shirik> one thing that has changed since it was created is this whole "changing host" thing
[17:39] <Shirik> his score skyrocketed when it saw join,part,join back-to-back, though it wasn't enough to trip the lock yet
[17:39] <Shirik> no big deal I can fix that
[17:40] <matthewrbowker> Shirik: Maybe have it exempt "Changing Host" and the immidiate next join?
[17:40] <Shirik> that's what I'm going to do
[17:40] <matthewrbowker> kk
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[17:47] <Shirik> !reload
[17:47] <EDI> Cannot reload AI. Using fail safes. ai.lua:633: 'then' expected near 'the'
[17:47] <Shirik> sigh
[17:47] <Shirik> !reload
[17:47] <EDI> AI routines & configuration reloaded
[17:48] <Fluffernutter> goodness, this is all high tech and shit
[17:48] <Thehelpfulone> lol
[17:48] <Shirik> don't try anything crazy he only listens to me :P
[17:49] <Fluffernutter> aw
[17:49] <Fluffernutter> i was going to tell him to <redacted> the <redacted>
[17:49] <Thehelpfulone> ;say I don't like this one bit.
[17:49] <AntiSpamMeta> I don't like this one bit.
[17:50] <Shirik> oh good point
[17:50] <Shirik> I need to put AntiSpamMeta on the list of known bots
[17:50] <Thehelpfulone> eir perhaps too?
[17:50] <Shirik> he already is
[17:50] <Thehelpfulone> okay
[17:50] <Shirik> AntiSpamMeta's mask is weird o.O
[17:51] <Fluffernutter> shhh, you'll hurt ihs feelings!
[17:51] <Thehelpfulone> yes, AfterDeath asked for a special one from christel, and she granted it ;)
[17:51] <Thehelpfulone> well that's what she gave him, AD didn't request anything in particular
[17:51] <Shirik> !reload
[17:51] <EDI> AI routines & configuration reloaded
[18:00] <jeremyb> AfterDeath [icxcnika@freenode/weird-exception/network-troll/afterdeath]
[18:00] <jeremyb> ;say foo
[18:01] <Brownout> !say jeremyb 
06[18:01] * Fluffernutter eyes the strange men talking to the ether
06[18:01] * jeremyb waves Peter-C at Fluffernutter
[18:02] <Peter-C> O_o
[18:02] <Ottava> o.O
[18:06] <Shirik> !reload
[18:06] <EDI> AI routines & configuration reloaded
[18:07] <Shirik> stupid freenode changes :(
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[18:16] <Shirik> !reload
[18:16] <EDI> AI routines & configuration reloaded
[18:21] <Shirik> !reload
[18:21] <EDI> AI routines & configuration reloaded
[18:21] <Shirik> that should be it :D
[18:21] <Shirik> now for the fun
[18:22] <Shirik> and by fun I mean waiting a week for someone to trip it ._.
[18:22] <Thehelpfulone> Shirik: where's the output/reports?
[18:23] <Shirik> If it thinks that the channel should be locked, it will yell it in here. Other than that, the debugging info is an open ssh terminal on my screen :P
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[18:32] <Hipocrite> So, according to a friend of mine I'm supposed to come beg for an indulgence here. Is that accurate?
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[18:33] <SpitfireWP> Hipocrite, not as such, no. This is the place to appeal bans, though, if that's what you wish to do.
[18:33] <Hipocrite> That's what I was saying, yes.
[18:33] <Hipocrite> I'd like to be unbanned from pedia-en. I will not post logs.
[18:34] <Hipocrite> In any amount, regardless of "substance"
[18:34] <Ottava> Hi Hipocite
[18:34] <Hipocrite> Hi.
[18:34] <Ottava> PeterSymonds controls Wikipedia-en
[18:34] <Ottava> Or is the contact
[18:34] <Ottava> whatever
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[18:35] <Hipocrite> I was told on good authority to come here.
[18:35] <Ottava> Yes. He is just the ultimate authority if no one here helps.
[18:35] <Hipocrite> It appears that no one is here, dosen't it.
[18:35] <Ottava> Access to en is determined by mob rule. You are an admin on en aren't you?
[18:35] <Hipocrite> No.
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[18:35] <SpitfireWP> Ottava, please keep out of this.
[18:35] <SpitfireWP> Hipocrite, give me a minute, please. :)
[18:36] <Hipocrite> Shouldn't I have the right to confront whoever is my accuser on the otherside of whatever I'm giving you a minute for?
[18:36] <Shirik> one second Hipocrite
[18:36] <Ottava> SpitfireWP - I should be someone with a lot of experience on the matter :)
[18:36] <Ottava> Hipocrite, you should, but unfortunately not always :)
[18:36] <Shirik> the person who banned you is not around currently
[18:37] <Ottava> Who was it?
12[18:38] -eir:#wikimedia-ops- (9REM) ban[31452] *!*@unaffiliated/hipocrite was set on #wikipedia-en by Fluffernutter!Fluffernut@wikipedia/Fluffernutter on 2012-01-06 16:43:14 with reason "public logging" and had an expiry date of 2012-02-05 16:43:26. It was removed by SpitfireWP!~spitfire@wikipedia/spitfire on Fri Jan  6 23:38:01 2012
[18:38] <SpitfireWP> Hipocrite, okay, we've agreed to unban you, on the condition that you do not log the channel.
[18:38] <Shirik> Fluff|away
[18:38] <SpitfireWP> Please feel free to rejoin.
[18:38] <Ottava> SpitfireWP - I know of at least 4 loggers in that channel, 3 are banned users from WR. 
[18:42] <Hipocrite> Not log, or not publically log? How do I stop my client from keeping a scroll-up buffer?
[18:42] <Shirik> publically
[18:42] <Hipocrite> Thank you.
[18:54] <Fluff|away> Yes sorry, that nick didn't ping me and I didn't see this. You're welcome in the channel as long as you don't release logs, Hipocrite
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[19:03] <Shirik> yay!
[19:03] <Shirik> http://codepad.org/UZVVXGX2
[19:04] <Shirik> so that stupid bug has been fixed
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[20:04] <Peter-C> troll! in the dungeon!
[20:05] <Fluff|away> pardon?
[20:05] <Peter-C> #wikipedia-en - claiming they log, seems to be a troll
[20:05] <Peter-C> any +1 for Harry Potter ref?
[20:05] <Peter-C> [20:03:43] <Joan> I'm logging.
[20:05] <Fluff|away> ...uh
06[20:06] * Joan smiles.
[20:06] <Peter-C> Oh... its just MZMcBride....
[20:06] <Fluff|away> Peter-C, meet Joan. Otherwise known as MzmcBride
[20:06] <Peter-C> MZMcBride trolling is normal, sorry :P
[20:06] <Thehelpfulone> also known by too many different names to remember.
[20:06] <Fluff|away> but all female
[20:07] <Thehelpfulone> indeed
[20:07] <Shirik> I don't care who he is, if he's just causing problems he needs to leav
[20:07] <Prodego> we can't ban mzmcbride
[20:08] <Joan> Shirik is gonna lay down the law.
06[20:08] * Fluff|away takes cover
[20:08] <Joan> Shirik: Get the whip.
[20:08] <Prodego> at least, not for this
[20:08] <Shirik> Granted, I should have expected it. I've never seen you not cause a problem.
[20:08] <Joan> I'm the worst.
[20:09] <Prodego> he hasn't done much of anything in any case
[20:09] <Prodego> and if he does, well I'm more interested in watching
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[20:10] <Prodego> then I'd be able to report it to the proper authorities(TM)
[20:10] <Joan> wimt?
[20:10] <Joan> Is wimt still alive?
[20:11] <Prodego> right to christel :)
[20:11] <Joan> Oh, christel adores me.
[20:11] <Thehelpfulone> Joan: I believe wimt is too busy in real life
[20:11] <Joan> Everyone adores me.
[20:11] <Joan> Thehelpfulone: A shame.
[20:12] <Thehelpfulone> I hope he's still alive though!
[20:12] <Joan> Did anyone happen to skim the on-wiki thread about IRC?
[20:12] <Joan> Typical garbage.
06[20:12] * Fluffernutter points to Hipocrite
[20:13] <Fluffernutter> you two can have at it
[20:13] <Hipocrite> Excuse me?
[20:13] <Prodego> now you guys are just trying to cause trouble. Mmmm
[20:13] <Fluffernutter> the IRC/logging thing. You and Joan can discuss if you want
[20:13] <Fluffernutter> i was pointing out that you're both here
[20:14] <Prodego> I'm not having any part of this one
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[20:14] <Hipocrite> So this channel is a free-for-all?
06[20:14] * Fluffernutter blinks
[20:14] <Fluffernutter> right, well, was just trying to be helpful. regret that i've offended you, etc
[20:15] <Hipocrite> You have that little "+" by your name, and you're suggesting that he "Have at it" with me?
[20:15] <Hipocrite> When did I volunteer to have a "have at it?"
[20:15] <Prodego> the + indicates that Fluffernutter is voiced in the channel
[20:15] <Hipocrite> Can I have a little +?
[20:15] <Joan> Hipocrite: All of IRC is a free-for-all.
[20:15] <Prodego> in this particular channel, being voiced is an indication that she is a channel operator (admin) somewhere
[20:16] <Prodego> sure, why not
[20:16] <Joan> Welcome to IRC?
[20:16] <Hipocrite> Thanks, give me a +
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[20:16] <Prodego> err
[20:16] <Prodego> stupid webchat
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[20:16] <Prodego> have fun
[20:16] <Hipocrite> Awesome.
[20:16] <Joan> Anyway,
[20:17] <Joan> I was saying that I saw your thread on-wiki.
[20:17] <Joan> And it read like typical IRC-related garbage.
[20:17] <Hipocrite> I'd appreciate it if you'd remain civil.
[20:17] <Joan> I'm not sure you have a very good grasp of the meaning of that word.
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[20:18] <Joan> Or IRC, for that matter.
[20:18] <Hipocrite> I'm reasonably confident that it excludes saying people don't have a good grasp of things. I readily admit I know very little about this IRC thing.
[20:18] <Prodego> well I'd be happy to explain the idea of it
[20:19] <Joan> Well, I don't think something's uncivil simply because someone (correctly) notes that don't have a good grasp of civility and IRC.
[20:19] <Prodego> the main idea is to have chatrooms where wikipedians can talk, with a more relaxed atmosphere than on wikipedia
[20:19] <Hipocrite> I think I've basically got the relevent gist of it. Apparently you show up here and ask people to do things for you on Wikipedia, and you're rude to people who aren't here, or are new.
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[20:19] <Joan> Relevant.
[20:19] <Prodego> is that what you've seen in your time on IRC?
[20:20] <Hipocrite> Plus or minus, to be honest.
[20:20] <Hipocrite> There's some chit-chat also.
[20:20] <Joan> And yet you continue to participate.
[20:20] <Hipocrite> And some gross violations of privacy.
[20:20] <Prodego> civility just means behaving within accepted standards
[20:20] <Hipocrite> No, I'm pretty sure it dosen't.
[20:20] <Prodego> on IRC these standards are somewhat more relaxed
[20:21] <Ottava> Hipocrite gets a plus and I don't :(
[20:21] <Prodego> Hipocrite: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/civility
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[20:21] <Prodego> Ottava: maybe next time
[20:21] <Prodego> oh there youg o
[20:21] <Ottava> o.O
[20:21] <Ottava> Scary
[20:21] <Joan> Prodego: You should use HTTPS.
[20:21] <Prodego> Joan: grabbed it from google, to be honest
[20:22] <Ottava> Joan, IRC has potential to be great. Coming here and being disappointed doesn't mean you have to go home with your head hanging low. You can stay behind and try to fix it. That is what all pioneers have done.
[20:22] <Joan> You'd forgotten Wiktionary's URL?
[20:22] <Joan> It's en.wiktionary.org.
[20:22] <Hipocrite> I think the OED dosen't include the relativism of wiktionary. I tend not to trust user-sourced content.
[20:23] <Ottava> And Prodego, we know that civility is rarely practiced on IRC, especially by ops.
[20:23] <Prodego> well, then I'm not sure you are editing the right encyclopedia!
[20:23] <Joan> Ottava: You should start your own channel!
[20:23] <Joan> Hipocrite: You shoudl start your own channel!
[20:23] <Ottava> Joan - That is lame.
[20:23] <Joan> Prodego: You should start your own channel!
[20:23] <Ottava> o.o;;
[20:23] <Joan> I've had several channels for years.
[20:23] <Joan> They're free!
[20:23] <Ottava> Yes, and that proves my point. :P
[20:23] <Joan> should *
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[20:23] <Prodego> that's not really productive
04[20:23] * Ottava was kicked by Fluffernutter (You remain banned from this channel, thanks)
[20:23] <Hipocrite> I think a healthly lack of trust in Wikipedia is quite healthy for an editor - you know, since it's not a relible source and all.
[20:23] <Joan> Ottava's banned?
[20:23] <Hipocrite> What exactly is he banned for?
03[20:24] * ChanServ sets mode: -o Fluffernutter
[20:24] <Fluffernutter> ironically, publishing logs, as well as harassment and disruption
[20:24] <Hipocrite> Can you be banned merely for harassment and disruption, or is it the logs?
[20:25] <Fluffernutter> all of them are bannable, depending on level of disruption, length of persistence at disrupting, etc
[20:25] <Hipocrite> How interesting. I can tell you that as a new user, Ottava was one of the least harssing that I experienced.
[20:28] <Prodego> I typically don't have problems with Ottava either, but if Fluffernutter believes there is an issue I am confident she knows what she is doing
[20:29] <Prodego> Hipocrite: if you are disruptive to the channel
[20:29] <Prodego> Hipocrite: typically that will only come after several warnings
[20:29] <Joan> IRC is like a shady bar.
[20:29] <Fluffernutter> as I said, ottava has a history of disruption, harassment, and log-publishing, and he has a standing ban from this and a few other WMF channels. He was evading it, so I removed him.
[20:29] <Joan> Well, an IRC channel is like a shady bar.
[20:29] <Joan> IRC itself is a shady world.
[20:29] <Hipocrite> Shame - on Wikipedia, there's a log of prior actions so that when someone says something like "so and so is a vandal," there's "here's where they vandalized." Anything like that here?
[20:29] <Joan> An IRC network is a shady country.
[20:30] <Hipocrite> I mean, what if Ottava was accused of log posting in error x years ago, but can never prove it because now it's just folk history?
[20:30] <Joan> Let's all ponder that.
[20:32] <Fluffernutter> anyway, I'm off back to my Dr Who marathon. Enjoy your evening everyone
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[21:37] <SpitfireWP> <Joan> Oh, christel adores me.
[21:37] <SpitfireWP> <Joan> Everyone adores me.
[21:38] <SpitfireWP> But also, christel adores everyone.
[21:38] <SpitfireWP> So, yeah.
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